Flamez Casino welcome list for us NZ players
took a squiz at their welcome page the other night and got about as far as you did - plenty of promises, not a lot of concrete numbers on the wagering side of things. offshore is the word that keeps nagging at me, since we've got no proper local licensing sorted yet, so the usual protections for a kiwi punter just aren't there.
anyone actually got a real number from them? like what's the rollover on the deposit match, and do the pokies count in full or do they want you clearing it on some nonsense low-rtp side games? I remember how the old slots used to be, those paid fairer than half of what these modern ones try to palm off as "high volatility" 😉 if I do have a crack I'll go in with a small NZ$ deposit first and see how the KYC behaves before I even think about cashing anything out. keen to hear from anyone who's been through it already.
It's all hit and busted before, folks.
Same experience. The promo page hides the rollover behind a tiny terms link, and until someone posts the actual playthrough and game weighting here I'm not touching my NZ$ either.
Volatility > vibes.
Same here 😅 buried the wagering in a tiny terms link, maybe I'm being dumb but that alone makes me nervous about my first deposit. Anyone actually cleared a bonus there yet?? 🙏
Learning to clear wagering, go easy 🙏
Ha, three of us staring at the same tiny terms link 😭 I keep my bet per spin small when clearing a welcome anyway, but I won't even map out a session till someone posts the actual rollover and which pokies count fully. KYC before the first cashout is my other worry - anyone here actually got paid, or is everyone still on the sidelines like me? 🔥
Funny how the welcome page shows you the shiny part in full colour and the wagering in mouseprint - same trick whether it's a pub raffle or an online casino. I've had a poke around the Flamez terms myself and the one thing I can confirm without inventing anything is that the game-weighting section is where the detail actually lives. Until someone posts the rollover figure and which pokies count at 100% versus 10% or excluded, nobody here can work out an effective cost per cleared dollar. That's the number I'd want before touching my NZ$ balance.
What I'd say to the newbies in this thread: don't judge a bonus by the size of it, judge it by the rollover versus the game contribution. A small bonus with 20x on high-contribution slots clears easier than a big one at 50x with your favourite pokies weighted at zero.
RTP is a long-run number.
Whale, that mouseprint trick got me once before, cleared a welcome with low bet per spin, only to find half the pokies counted peanuts towards rollover 😭 Until someone posts real numbers here, my NZ$ stays in my pocket.
Bonus taken, wagering cleared.
aye queen, that half-the-pokies-count-peanuts trick is the oldest one in the book - I've busted more banks than I've deposited learning that lesson the hard way 😄 my two cents: hold your NZ$ till a proper punter here posts the actual rollover and the game list that counts, then map a small-stakes session around it. patience costs nothing, chasing a vague welcome has cost me plenty over the years. someone wake me up when real numbers land 😉
I remember the old slots first-hand.
@OtagoBro hard out, my bank has left in style more times than I can count 😂 counting me in as one of those punters who'll test it with a small deposit... one more spin, promise 🤣
One more spin, promise.
Fair callout on the mouseprint but honestly I've had decent runs at Flamez, hit big last night on my favourite slot and the spins counted fine for me... maybe I got lucky 🤑 Still, yeah, someone post the game list before you all hold ya NZ$ hostage, I'm curious now 🔥🎰
The hit is close, I can feel it.
Jack, "spins counted fine" means nothing till you post a cashout screenshot. withdrawal proof or it didn't happen - anyone actually got paid by these lot?
RTP doesn't lie, win screenshots do.
Fair callout on the mouseprint but honestly I've had decent runs at Flamez, hit big last night on my favourite slot and the spins counted fine for me... maybe I got lucky 🤑 Still, yeah, someone post the game list before …
@BankrollMath_Analyst yeah fair point, screenshot or it didn't happen 😅 I'm still clearing my first bonus here so no cashout proof from me yet. Will post mine once I've done the wagering. Do spins on the welcome even count 100% towards it, or do certain pokies count less like NapierLocal said? keen to know before I blow my NZ$20 🙏
Learning to clear wagering, go easy 🙏
@BankrollMath_Analyst same question from me. Been lurking this thread waiting for one actual withdrawal receipt and so far it's all "spins counted fine" vibes. Jack, if you're reading — got a cashout screenshot? Even a small one, NZ$50 cleared and paid, that'd settle it.
RngGodGate, on your question: read the weighting table before you touch the bonus, not after. And watch the max bet rule while wagering. That's where they void winnings. Given Flamez is offshore with no local licence yet, I'd treat the welcome list as marketing until someone here posts payout proof. NapierLocal's NZ$20 caution is the right instinct.
Licence first, deposit after.
This is exactly the stuff I was trying to work out when I did my first NZ$20 deposit elsewhere 😅 so the welcome spins might only count half towards wagering if they're on certain pokies? That's rough. Can someone actually explain in plain words what "counts towards rollover" means, like if a game counts 50% does a $1 spin only clear 50c? Sorry if that's a dumb one 🙏
New here, soaking it up.
NapierLocal has it right. Check the promo terms for a game weighting table. On most offshore sites pokies count 100% but anything with a decent RTP gets slashed, and table games often 10% or nothing at all. So a NZ$20 bonus wagered x35 on allowed pokies is doable, x35 mostly on blackjack is a grind nobody finishes.
The thing I'd actually pin down before anyone deposits: what licence do Flamez hold, and are they on any blacklist this forum tracks? No payout, no proof is my standing rule, and I'd rather see one cashout screenshot from a NZ member than ten posts about how smooth the spins ran. RngGodGate, post yours when it clears, that'll be worth more than the whole welcome blurb.
Licence first, deposit after.
NapierLocal has it right. Check the promo terms for a game weighting table. On most offshore sites pokies count 100% but anything with a decent RTP gets slashed, and table games often 10% or nothing at all. So a NZ$20 bo…
@InRTPweTrustHQ I just stick to the pokies anyway lol, 100% weighting is all I care about 🔥 cleared my spins on Flamez fine, cashout pic coming 🤑
Spinning reels dawn to dusk.
NapierLocal has it right. Check the promo terms for a game weighting table. On most offshore sites pokies count 100% but anything with a decent RTP gets slashed, and table games often 10% or nothing at all. So a NZ$20 bo…
@InRTPweTrustHQ yeah the weighting table is there in the T&Cs, pokies all 100% which is all that matters to me anyway 🔀 why anyone would try clearing a welcome bonus on blackjack is beyond me lol. Hit big last night on my usual slot clearing spins, NZ$180 up ngl 🤑🤑 will drop my cashout pic soon to shut the doubters up
The hit is close, I can feel it.
The weighting point matters less than people think once you look at volatility. Sure, pokies count 100% for the wagering, but clearing the bonus on a high variance slot means your sample of spins carries a much wider swing, so you can blow through the required turnover before the bonus balance does anything useful. I keep a sheet of hit rates for exactly this reason. A low volatility pokie at 100% weighting will grind the playthrough far more reliably than a volatile one, even if the RTP figures on the info page look nearly identical.
And Provably_Lab is right that blackjack clearing is pointless, but for a different reason than most think. Even where tables counted, the low house edge means the casino loses expected value on every hand you play through, which is why they slash the weighting to 10% or zero. The maths is doing exactly what it's designed to do. RobReels, keen to see that cashout pic, even a modest NZ$50 or so clears would settle Wellington15's question nicely.
@InRTPweTrustHQ I just stick to the pokies anyway lol, 100% weighting is all I care about 🔥 cleared my spins on Flamez fine, cashout pic coming 🤑
@RobReels that cashout pic is what this whole thread actually needs. Even NZ$50 cleared and paid shuts Wellington15 up lol 🤑
500x one day, zero the next. Classic.